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Guys,

Just following tradition and offering my thoughts on the upcoming UFC card. It looks very tightly matched, and despite recent dropouts, should prove to be fairly exciting. All lines come from Pinnacle. These are my early thoughts. I'm refraining from any final predictions until the weigh-ins, as per the usual. Just thought I'd start some conversation up earlier in the week.

Ortiz (-439) Vs. Cote (+399)

Ortiz was originally scheduled to fight Guy Mezger in their rubber match, which wasn't going to be all that competitive. After Mezger dropped out, Cote was brought up from the undercard to headline against Tito. This is very much a shark/fish match on paper, with Ortiz having three times as many fights as Cote and having faced a far higher level of competition.

Cote, of course, has nothing to lose and will get a lot of credit for even going the distance with Tito. He's 5-0 in Canadian MMA against underwhelming opposition. He can win by laying some heavy hands on Tito. I don't think Ortiz will have a lot of trouble taking it to the mat and grinding out a stoppage. People dog him, but Couture couldn't hurt him and Liddell was in his head. He is still extremely dangerous. Ortiz/No Play

Hughes (-262) Vs. St. Pierre (+242)

Hughes vies for a second welterweight title after recording five consecutive defenses in his initial run. Lackluster stand-up ability is made up for with the most damaging, devastating ground and pound in his weight class. He won a close decision over Renato Verissimo last June.

St. Pierre is in here primarily because few options existed for Hughes at this point in time. He's another Canadian MMAer with an undefeated record - but unlike Cote, he's garnered wins over durable guys like Pete Spratt and Karo Parisyan. The Canuck has terrific stand-up ability, with crisp, accurate strikes. He may represent the best striker Hughes has faced since Sakurai in 2002.

If Carlos Newton and Verissimo couldn't submit Hughes, St. Pierre sure as Hell won't. That leaves five chances to rock Hughes on the feet, and he had better not squander them. I'm dubious about his odds, since Hughes only has one KO loss in 35+ fights. If you like taking 'dogs, it's not a bad option. Hughes does not seem to be all that interested in fighting. But the odds are accurate. He should pummel St. Pierre to a stoppage in a premature bout for Georges. Hughes/No Play

Trigg (+134) Vs. Verissimo (-144)
Maybe the most competitive bout on the card - Trigg is a great wrestler with an aggressive style. He'll look to contend with Verissimo, a lanky BJJ player with an awesome guard.

This is tough. Hughes is a beast on the mat, but Verissimo controlled him and wound up without a scratch. He also came within a few miliseconds of tapping Matt. If Matt couldn't damage him, how will Trigg? Some point to Trigg's hyper-aggressive fighting style, but being a busy boy in the guard is only leaving yourself open for trouble.

On the other hand, Verissimo "came close" to submitting Hughes, but didn't. Nor could he submit Carlos Newton, though he did win decisively.

I think a stand-up fight is neutral grounds, with a slight edge to Charuto if only due to his reach. Trigg looked good against Hallman, but Hallman spent two weeks in the hospital with an infection prior to that bout. I think Charuto's guard is going to prove to be too problematic for Trigg, who will overstay his welcome there and get caught. Verissimo by submission.

Tanner (-153) Vs. Lawler (+143)

Another tough fight to call. Tanner was a 205 lb. fighter who dropped down to 185. Lawler is a 170 lb. fighter coming up to 185. Common sense says that Tanner is going to have it all over Lawler when it comes to size, strength, and experience.

The only reason Lawler's camp took the fight is because Tanner does not have a great chin, having been clocked by Rich Franklin and nearly KOed by Phil Baroni before a fortunately timed cut check. Lawler is a brawler, and if he catches Tanner on the button, he will go down.

I just think Tanner isn't going to waste a lot of time taking this to the mat and using his patented elbows to grind out a stoppage. Lawler was not setting the world on fire at 170, having lost to Spratt and Diaz. Tanner is used to scrapping with far bigger men, and I think the gulf in physical ability will be obvious early on. Tanner by stoppage.

Franklin (-319) Vs. Rivera (+300)

This should prove to be the sleeper bout of the evening. Few people seem to be giving Jorge Rivera a chance in this fight, with Franklin continuing to be something of a frontrunner for Next Big Thing.

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing it. Franklin is a solid fighter with the fundamentals locked down, but he has yet to fight a high-level opponent. His career trajectory and record does not differ much from Rivera - they've both toiled in feeder shows and have yet to face any big names. Rivera was submitted by Lee Murray a few months back, while Franklin was beaten down by unknown Japanese fighter Machida late last year.

Perhaps it's the loss to Murray - who is not considered a great submission artist - that's influenced the line. For one, I think Rivera made a tactical error in not respecting Murray's mat game. That was seen on live PPV, whereas Franklin's loss is buried in Japanese video stores.

Franklin has been competing at 205 and is cutting down for the first time on Friday. I don't know about you, but I'm not laying -300 on a guy making his debut in a new weight class. We don't know how the cutting will affect his game. And Rivera is far from a small middleweight - he's also competed at 205 and even had a bout with Tim Sylvia (!) early in his career.

In the stand-up, it's a dead heat, with both guys having power and accuracy. Franklin gets the edge on the mat, but it'll be Rivera who has the gas to go the distance if need be. Call it a gut feeling or just hope in finding a bad line, but I think Rivera surprises a lot of people on Friday. Don't judge him on the Murray fight, and don't believe Franklin's hype. Rivera by TKO

Lutter (+230) Vs. Eastman (-250)

Lutter steps in as a late replacement for Cote. Eastman is a ferocious stand-up striker who nearly KOed Michael McDonald in K-1 last April. His wrestling is very good - Lutter has a good deal less experience and is known primarily for his BJJ game.

I have yet to see Lutter fight, but I do know he was training for a bout prior to being called up and won't be taken completely off guard. If he can get Eastman down, a submission will follow. I don't think he can. Eastman by TKO

Salaverry (-132) Vs. Fryklund (+122)

Salaverry has allegedly looked very sharp in training and should be able to pick apart another late replacement in Fryklund. Salaverry by TKO
 

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I have never seen Franklin fight, and I hate to bet against people ive never seen fight in MMA or Boxing, but at +300 I may have to take your word on it. I have seen Rivera, and he didnt look prepared vs. Murray, but I think that Murray is nasty, and prob would have beaten most guys that night. Also how did Rivera fare against Silvia? Couldnt have been pretty.



As far as Lawler, I give him a shot against just about anybody just because of his style. Tanner is a very sound wrestler like you said, but I think that Lawler will give him a much tougher time than the second Baroni fight, which he dominated.

Also, since you are very well rounded on MMA, I had a question for you Royler. I am a hockey player and a hockey fan, and I remember a former player named Patrick Cote, from Quebec, Canada. He was a tough guy, played some games for the Dallas Stars and Nashville Predators, though mostly played minor leagues. He retired a few years ago, and is probably 28 or 29. Is this the same guy that Tito Ortiz is fighting? They even look somewhat alike. haha
 

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Lawler definitely has a shot against Tanner. If his camp didn't think so, they wouldn't have taken the fight. I just think Evan will do the smart thing and get it to the ground fairly quickly. The last time a Miletich fighter moved from 170 to 185, it was Pat himself, and he was steamrolled by Tanner teammate Matt Lindland in just a few seconds. Matt is not known for his ground and pound, so that was something else.

Rivera went to a seven-minute decision with Sylvia in 1999. I really don't think Franklin's size is at issue in this bout.

Cote never played hockey.
 

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i figured, but the similarites made me wonder. anyways, is the weigh in today or tomorrow?
 

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Tomorrow afternoon...'round 4 PM, but don't quote me on that.
 

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Some brief notes from the weigh-ins...

- Lutter was five pounds underweight for the 205 class, meaning Eastman is going to have a fair amount of horsepower over him tomorrow.

- Fryklund also light at 180. I liked Salaverry before, and this reinforces it. Salaverry is said to have trained very hard and looking very sharp in all areas.

- Lawler did not take off his shirt for the scales. Tanner is said to be very relaxed.

- Ortiz said to look not quite as chiseled as he normally does. Cote looking very soft, but that's not unusual for him.

--St. Pierre in amazing shape, looking very confident. My gut is starting to think upset, as Hughes is a little too indifferent to the fight game as of late. St. Pierre is hungry.

-I'm really, really torn on the Trigg/Charuto fight. People I respect are high on Trigg, but I see so many more ways for Verissimo to win. His lanky build is going to be Hell for Trigg in his guard, he's got a significant reach advantage, and Trigg was unable to close the deal on his two big fights prior to this one (Sakurai & Hughes). I can easily see Trigg spazzing out and throwing his arm out there, whereas Hughes was unable to hurt Verissimo.

On the other hand, Charuto isn't talking to press and hasn't been seen around the hotel.

Tenatively, I'm leaning on...

Ortiz over Cote
St. Pierre over Hughes (Change of opinion)
Rivera over Franklin
Verissimo over Trigg
Tanner over Lawler
Eastman over Lutter
Salaverry over Fryklund

No final decisions/wagers until tomorrow.
 

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Was there any reason Lawler went up in weight? He is young as was doing reasonably well at the lower weight. He is strong, but not that big and his brawling style may not be as effective against these bigger guys. Ill still watch him fight anybody anytime.

St. Pierre really caught my eye during the last time he was on UFC. He just seemed so versatile. Hughes was beaten by a hungrier man who wasnt afraid in BJ Penn. I just see this as a similar situation. Im no expert though.

Off the topic of the card for tomorrow night, but where is Lee Murray? Havent seen him since Rivera, and he seems like the perfect guy for them to push. Didnt know if you had seen him fight somewhere else in the meantime.
 

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i think trigg is a very tough mou fou...verrisimo may be to skilled...but,you have to feel that trigg has a shot...the guy seems to me(the under experienced fan)to be very well rounded...with a mean streak....he comes to win...

i saw st pierre one time.....other than looking facially like jeff garcia(lol),the guy stunned me....he was a buzzsaw...a little bit of everything...he was always working...keeping his opponent on defense....and in utterly amazing shape...

one of the best offensive fighters i`ve seen in mma....this guy looks like a star in the making...

but,it was only one fight....and i`m no mma expert....

i put a little on st pierre and trigg...but,as i said,i`m no mma handicapper....

g.l.
 

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Lawler went up because he was having too much trouble making 170. He's only 21 or 22 and still growing.

Murray is having Visa problems getting into the States. He also lost to Anderson Silva recently in the UK. It was a fairly one-sided decision.

Sphinc, I feel Trigg has a great shot: he's the type of guy you can always count on to be in great shape and with a sound game plan. No slacking here. Charuto may not enjoy how busy Trigg will stay in his guard. For + money, he's probably the best play on the card.

I haven't completely made up my mind yet. I just think Charuto is the worst possible body type for an aggressive wrestler. Trigg has never had to deal with this level of BJJ before: Iha is half Charuto's size and Machado is more or less one-handed. When Trigg has stepped up to A-level competition - in Hughes and Sakurai - he's come up short. This will be a huge test for him.

Charuto has a good 4" of reach over Trigg, but has a lanky physique that may not respond well to body shots. If Trigg can get inside to soften him up, it's to his benefit. I don't see a spectacular KO in the making, but Verissimo can really pick his shots.

Trigg can easily get Charuto down but is going to find himself in a maze of arms and legs that are going to be constantly looking for a submission. Granted, Charuto has yet to submit an A-level player, but he came so close to subbing Hughes that Matt had his hand in the air. I consider Hughes to be a more advanced model of Trigg's style, so when I see how much trouble he had with Charuto, it gives me pause.

It's probably going to be the fight of the night.
 

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I think St. Pierre is a much better dog play than Rivera.

Franklin has wins over Tanner (which isn't too shabby considering Tanner lost only twice in his 28 other fights, while beating some very good competition along the way) and Marvin Eastman. Might not be the 'biggest' of names, but two very good fighters and two fighters that I consider stronger competition than Rivera. Franklin is much more well-rounded in virtually every facet of MMA...Rivera has good stand-up, but I don't see any area where he has an advantage in this fight.

Machida might be unknown to the casual fan, but he's got the look of a guy who is going to be a big name in his weight class very soon. Extremely skilled.
 

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royler....you weren`t lying about the hype on franklin....i`ve read a little bit on these bouts and most people are picking franklin to blow rivera out......

a nice payday if it hits....doesn`t seem like many agree with you....

i hope you get it...
 

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Most of the insiders and experts are on two fighters...Charuto and Franklin. Not necessarily from a betting standpoint, just their collective opinion. When something is so lopsided on paper and in the think tank, that usually spells trouble.

I want to pull the trigger on Trigg (ugh, sorry) because of his odds but I just can't do it. He may have gotten a little banged up in training...not anything major, but it could potentially impact the fight. On paper he has serious disadvantages. On the flip side, Verissimo has yet to actually submit anyone in MMA. I could go on until my head smokes. Best to just avoid it, at least for me.

Rivera is super-relaxed and super-happy after his Red Sox win. Franklin is said to be looking very gaunt after coming down to 185. Both guys say they want to bang on the feet. I'll take the guy with no pressure on him who's used to the weight class, especially at +300.

Robbie looking kind of pudgy. I'm pretty strong on Tanner. Granted, he has gotten clocked before, but he recovers well.

Best bets, IMHO...

Tanner Over Lawler -150
Rivera Over Franklin +299
Salaverry Over Fryklund -140
 

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Good luck tonight Royler. Like your guts on the Rivera play. One thing is for sure (or is at least a undeniable trend), if you bet all dogs in UFC you will come out ahead in the end. I'm not going to bet on this one.

I also made an executive decision for myself. For the first time since these things have been available, I will not see the card live (or on slight delay as we get it here sometimes on the West Coast). My favorite hockey team is opening their season tonight (the ECHL Long Beach Ice Dogs) and I decided this particular card shouldn't keep me from seeing it. I will be seeing the card on Sunday at a friends house who is taping it for me.

I will be back to congratulate you in a few days (like I said earlier I've got a hunch you're due). I don't want to see any "spoilers" in the next two days. This is going to take extreme willpower. Good luck to all who bet tonight and nice analysis Royler. The only one that I would go against is that I would take the upset with Trigg over Verissimo. Think it's a toss up and I just like the value. I would assume you aren't actually betting that fight (could be wrong). Also, what's keeping you from betting St. Pierre now? If I was to bet I would think that fight has the most value (even though I think Hughes should be slightly favored, but nowhere near -262/+242)

Also, did you hear about the craziness that went on with Telligman? Offering him all those bizzare fight situations. Heard that Ortiz wanted no part of him. They asked him to drop a bunch of weight in ten days. They tried to make 3 fights for him and they all fell apart. Bizzare and unfortuante. If he was fighting I wouldn't be seeing this thing on delay.
 

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So Cal,

Have a good time with the game.

I am still on the fence on Trigg/Verissimo. I am feeling one thing and being told another by people I trust, and in that case, that's usually a warning to beg off. Unless I get some last-second info, I will probably pass.

Telligman wanted to fight someone of name value at heavyweight, which is a tall order on short notice. I think the UFC is dissatisfied with his decision not to fight - remember, he's 1-3 in the Octagon. Getting asked back was more a favor to Shamrock than anything.

I think the talk of him cutting to fight Tito was silly. Tra never wrestled and has never had to cut before. The fight would've been colored by his dropping 20+ pounds in a week. That's not something you do on a whim. I think things worked out for the best.

I like seeing where the late money goes and I'm curious to see how much money comes in on St. Pierre. Everyone should remember what happened with Terrell in August - he opened at +300 and that fight closed near a pick, with a ton of money coming in just before showtime.
 

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Royler, very true about Tra. I think he should have taken the other Heavyweight bout they offered him, even though I heard Tra said he didn't think it was worth his time or take a risk fighting an "Up N' Commer" (???). In my opinion he would have been advised to taken the fight (seeing how he had no guarantee of another) and if he won it he might be in line for a future bout. Either way, it might work out for the best. Dropping all that weight in such a short time seemed ridiculous. Reminded me of when we had roughly 3 weeks at the end of Football to get to our wrestling weight back in high school (for me it was usually getting from about 190 down to 167). Horrible stuff taking diearetics, salt tablets, wearing a plastic suit and working out on a wrestling deck that was usually set to upwards of 100 degrees.
 

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Royler, im with you on Rivera. i figured i would take a shot since you like it so much. Small play for fun. also made a small play on St.Pierre. I think he is def worth a small play. Hughes is one tough dude, but he has looked less and less impressive every time i saw him. again im no expert. Im actually very excited for this card, and since we dont have any of the really big names except Tito, im hoping maybe a new star rises tonight.
 

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Hope everyone had a good night. Rivera came to fight, stunned Franklin, and bloodied/bruised him nicely. No blowout. Tanner and Salaverry did what was expected. St. Pierre looked terrific and stunned Hughes with a spinning kick before Hughes pulls out an armbar. My only shocker was Lutter KOing Eastman cold.

Congrats to the Trigg backers...Verissimo's number kept climbing and I was sure I was missing something. Some good fights in Pride next weekend.
 

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Lawler looked terrible. I hate to say it but he will not be the same fighter at 185. amazing how much slower he looked. hope he can get it together because he is fun to watch. Rivera gave a good effort. St.Pierre looked great before he was stopped. He may be something special in the future.
 

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Good job Royler. 2 out of 3 must have netted something. As far as action is concerned, not a bad card all-in-all.
 

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